Posts by Anony Mous

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Watchtower fined in Belgium

by Vanderhoven7 in

jehovah's witnesses in belgium have to pay €12k fine for shunning policy.

news.

you have probably heard of the trial going on in belgium about the shunning policy of jws.

@JeffT: this case is narrowly defined. In your example, Grandma cannot preach to your children without your consent. However, if you say that grandma should be hated because she is a Christian, then that is a basis for hate speech regulation and yes, you can be fined and jailed.

Again, in the US, we have freedom of speech, the EU has speech regulations. You cannot say you hate anyone in the EU for any reason without risking a fine. You can’t espouse hate for Jews, Islam, gays or other group identities in the EU without risking a fine. And yes, that means extremist groups are well visible in the EU society but remain officially non-existent. Political groups have likewise been persecuted for being “hateful”.

You can for example choose not to associate with ex members of your organization or your family, but if I say everyone else in the family should hate that person, then that is indeed a hate speech violation. The Christians often say “hate the sin, not the sinner”, JW unlike other groups in Christianity claim you should “hate the sinner”.

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Watchtower fined in Belgium

by Vanderhoven7 in

jehovah's witnesses in belgium have to pay €12k fine for shunning policy.

news.

you have probably heard of the trial going on in belgium about the shunning policy of jws.

Anony Mous

You have to realize two things:

1) this verdict is in the EU. The concept of free speech and freedom of religion does not exist anywhere in the EU. State religions de facto also still exist there. While we can debate the drawbacks of this, the State has decided it is in its best interest to tightly control the population with taxes and regulations.

2) disfellowshipping is a form of psychological abuse. If it were true that, as the WTBTS claims, that its members have the freedom of association, that would be one thing covered by freedom of religion. But we all know lives are tightly controlled by elders and the organization and its members cannot exit without fear of physical or psychological reprisals by other members at the direction of its leaders.

This would be similar to saying a victim has allowed their abuse by an abusive partner by staying in a relationship, even though it is true in certain cases the victim bears some responsibility of excusing behavior, it does not absolve the partner from further abuse.

I personally agree that the organization should be able to qualify its own religious tenets without interference, but it should not be blanket absolved from the results of those tenets which have often qualified the tests for incitement to violent behavior.

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Good News Everyone!

by Anony Mous in

the non-profit organization behind the jehovah's witnesses in kraainem, belgium has been convicted of inciting discrimination and hatred or violence against former members who chose to leave the community.

the court in ghent has fined jehovah's witnesses eur 12,000 but due to the indexation adjustment, the actual payout to the victim will be (at this point) 8 times higher.

the multiplier seems weird to us, for those familiar with us law, the eur 12,000 is the statutory fine, taking into account the devaluation of currency, the court system sets an indexed multiplier for fines, currently at 8 - similar to how fines in the us were set in the 1800's at $100 would now be several thousands of dollars.. it is likely that the jehovah's witnesses will pursue this case to the european court.. according to the prosecutor, this case is therefore mainly about recognizing the malpractices within the community, not so much about sanctions: “in our opinion, this is a blatant violation of the discrimination law.

Anony Mous

The non-profit organization behind the Jehovah's Witnesses in Kraainem, Belgium has been convicted of inciting discrimination and hatred or violence against former members who chose to leave the community. The court in Ghent has fined Jehovah's Witnesses EUR 12,000 but due to the indexation adjustment, the actual payout to the victim will be (at this point) 8 times higher.

The multiplier seems weird to us, for those familiar with US law, the EUR 12,000 is the statutory fine, taking into account the devaluation of currency, the court system sets an indexed multiplier for fines, currently at 8 - similar to how fines in the US were set in the 1800's at $100 would now be several thousands of dollars.

It is likely that the Jehovah's Witnesses will pursue this case to the European court.

According to the prosecutor, this case is therefore mainly about recognizing the malpractices within the community, not so much about sanctions: “In our opinion, this is a blatant violation of the discrimination law. I hope this can be a signal. This is an extensive, fundamental matter. They target a certain group and they isolate them socially and damage them psychologically. ”

The lawyers of Jehovah's Witnesses stated that the non-profit association is only a legal entity that is used by the community. How the members deal with their religion is not the responsibility of the association. Basically they are saying that the organization is not responsible for the way members treat each other after disfellowshipping, an argument which due to the documentation and harrowing stories submitted, the judge saw through.

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What is your most favorite politically incorrect film

by mickbobcat in

since all the leftist idiots are trying to cancel films they don't like i am buying some dvds of my fav.

pi films.

my favorite top pick is animal house.

Anony Mous

I would say the Monty Pythons as well if you’re looking for irreverence, I love Airplane! and Team America.

There isn’t much of that in recent movies “The Platform” often interpreted as anti-capitalist criticism think-piece flick, when the protagonists try to implement a version of socialism, they end up murdering everyone in the place.

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Do You Get Easily Offended By What People Do or Don’t Do?

by minimus in

jw
friends

does using uncle ben’s food products offend you?.

are you offended if you see a flag?

what about a confederate flag?.

Anony Mous

@oppostate, as said earlier, what you think of as the confederate flag is not the confederate flag, people understood that for centuries. Only in the last 2 decades has it become “offensive” because ignorant people declared it as such.

There is nothing offensive to me about waving any flag, it lets us know where you stand. Whether it’s the white power raised fist (which has been pretty much eradicated from view) or the black power raised fist (which is now everywhere in BLM imagery), whether it’s Nazi or socialist-anarchist flags (which is now everywhere in Antifa imagery), so-called confederate, US Northerner or actual Southern battle flags, your freedom of speech trumps my right to be offended.

if you’re offended about racism, then you don’t understand humans. All humans are flawed, some are racists, some are evil, all are ignorant about some things, education, not persecution is the best way. It’s what MLK taught about freedom that the majority of people have forgotten. Racism from either side, whether it’s KKK white supremacy or BLM black supremacy is evil, whatever flag they fly that under is not important, the way of thinking, that you are somehow better or some people are worse than others because of your or their skin color is an evil in and of itself. White supremacy has effectively been eradicated since the Democrat party morphed itself in the 60s and 70s from being the party of the KKK against Civil Rights into a socialist welfare party. Black supremacy is making a comeback, this pendulum will swing.

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A Tale of Two Diversities (interesting video)

by LoveUniHateExams in

interesting little video from aussie youtuber independent man ….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ydnu4ky2xo.

Anony Mous

@love: I think he was being sarcastic.

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Do You Get Easily Offended By What People Do or Don’t Do?

by minimus in

jw
friends

does using uncle ben’s food products offend you?.

are you offended if you see a flag?

what about a confederate flag?.

Anony Mous

Note that what we know as the confederate flag is not the flag the South fought under during the Civil War. Just small facts but they matter.

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Rotator Cuff Surgery: Anybody Have Experience?

by GrreatTeacher in

my husband is going in on tuesday to have surgery to repair a badly torn rotator cuff on his right shoulder.

he is right handed.. he's 51 and is great about exercising and staying in shape.

however, while doing push ups, his shoulder just snapped.

Anony Mous

It can take a while to recover and as others said, don’t move the arm which may be up to 3 months, they may do PT during that time, but that doesn’t mean you can move the arm outside the PT office. I have a family member who just went through this, they had to retrieve the tendon way down the arm and stretch and reattach it, so she is planning on having full motion after ~1-2 years of physical therapy. If they have to redo it, or reconstruct, she could have lost full motion.

Stick to the no-motion plan and then do the daily exercises physical therapy prescribes.

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Masks Are Coming Off

by minimus in

jw
friends

a number of states are allowing people to not wear a mask.

some think this is disastrous!

what’s your view?.

Anony Mous

The CDC has been shown not to be a trustworthy source, they developed their policy with “stakeholders” input such as teachers unions, that’s why you get confused messaging like: yes, the vaccine stops you from spreading and getting sick, but you still need to double mask and kids can’t go to school even if teachers are vaccinated.

Even CNNs medical correspondent declared the new guidance very contradictory and confusing and that’s probably the most sycophantic news organization out there.

The pandemic is over yet Biden and co are talking about another 1-2 years of lockdowns and mask wearing. Their own CDC had to walk back scientific guidance after teachers unions complained. Now people are saying that unless every child is vaccinated (Healthy children are not affected or spread the virus like adults, and the vaccine is not tested or necessary on children), vaccinations are racist and the schools should remain closed.

Now there are proponents that are pushing UBI of thousands per month on top of existing welfare because poor are affected by COVID.

They have turned the disease in a vector of control over the population, the economy and a way to push excessive spending and policy. Biden spent more in a month than Trump or Obama did in their first year on a COVID bill were 91% of spending has nothing to do with COVID.

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Try To Be Less White

by minimus in

jw
friends

that’s what coca-cola is telling their employees.

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this is ridiculous!.

Anony Mous

Read the news articles from NY Post, Newsweek, OAN, Fox News, it quotes knowledge of at least 3 people, most courts would find 3 independent witnesses sufficient evidence. The rest is you just defending the company, I have dealt with these kind of issues professionally, it doesn’t matter what corporate statement or public apology you put out, if you have multiple credible employees saying a manager did something illegal, even if it wasn’t in writing, and you didn’t investigate and reprimand or fire the offender, the OCR or state agencies involved will still give you a fine.

Amazon has deleted books from Kindles, such as Orwell’s books before and recently a list of books it finds “offensive”. Because you can still find a book that’s listed, doesn’t mean it’s available, if you actually try to purchase it says: The Kindle title is not currently available for purchase, even in Australia, get on a VPN and check it, I just did.

And yes, a directive to change the wording in a classic and standing event in order to not reflect the original meaning in said event, requires an order. Biden has declared it will no longer mention Dr. Seuss going forward, the Biden employs 1000s of people that need this kind of messaging coordinated, otherwise you get chaos. The note to everyone that on Dr. Seuss birthday we will no longer mention Dr. Seuss because he’s racist that’s an order/statute (aka rule of an organization) whatever you want to call it. Not saying Biden doesn’t have the legal right to do it, it is within his purview to direct his organization however he wants, but it is disingenuous to say that they just kind of forgot rather than an explicit order to censorship or rewriting the history of a notable day from the people that should defend the first amendment.

Now if you want to apply more of your WT logic to this elder Jeffro, go right ahead and believe whatever you want but the facts are the facts, this stuff is immoral, dangerous and the American public should be aware of it.